tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4659326122793396570.post5200209109878008316..comments2024-03-21T23:18:45.644+00:00Comments on Priest with a Cause - A World of Warcraft (Classic) blog: Pugging for science!Shintarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4659326122793396570.post-22268503221049256082011-01-27T20:49:51.494+00:002011-01-27T20:49:51.494+00:00I will never get someone dropping from a Heroic, e...I will never get someone dropping from a Heroic, even in Wrath, when the group is on the final boss (except because they absolutely have no time left, of course). I mean - all the hard work is done! The finish line is RIGHT THERE! It baffles the mind!Radeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07258438792268722044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4659326122793396570.post-15136384739602955412011-01-27T15:22:33.216+00:002011-01-27T15:22:33.216+00:00@Boxer: I didn't time it exactly, but I think ...@Boxer: I didn't time it exactly, but I think just the bit I was in for took about one and a half hours. I never run instances unless I have plenty of time myself. I did it once or twice in Wrath but hated the feeling of being in a hurry as it sucked out a lot of the fun. I can understand that not everyone feels that way, but I'm pretty sure that neither of the two hunters that dropped had been in there with us for more than twenty minutes. So you have time to queue for 45 minutes but less than that for the actual dungeon? That just makes no sense.<br /><br />@Kring: I understand the logic but none of it applied to the people who dropped from that pug, as we were already at the very end of the instance and making progress despite the wipes. Leaving, requeuing and doing another run was always going to take longer than sticking it out for another twenty minutes to get that final kill.Shintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4659326122793396570.post-3621913004539936522011-01-27T11:37:52.493+00:002011-01-27T11:37:52.493+00:00Finishing a heroic DM with a pug, quite impressive...Finishing a heroic DM with a pug, quite impressive! =D<br />I guess the longer we're into the expansion, the better pugging these places will get anyway; people have the experience and the gear to make runs altogether easier for the healer.Sylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04473554645340972749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4659326122793396570.post-35331125503888254712011-01-25T13:19:51.458+00:002011-01-25T13:19:51.458+00:00I think the problem is that you only get VP for co...I think the problem is that you only get VP for completing the daily random. The boss kills only reward JP which is worthless for most people because there aren't that many good things you can buy.<br /><br />The whole system is completely crap, especially for a DD:<br /> - You have a 45 min queue.<br /> - You have to do it every day or you'll fall behind.<br /> - You can't do it twice on the days you have more time or a guild tank is available.<br /><br />If your play time is limited it's better to drop early and try again. If you waste 1 hour with a group that can't kill the endboss and queue again after that we're looking at the following time investment:<br /><br /> 45 min queue + 1 hour wiping + 15 min debuff + 45 min queue + 1 hour clear<br /><br />3h:45m<br /><br />If you drop as soon as you get Stonecore we're looking at the following time investment:<br /><br /> 45 min queue + 15 min debuff + 45 min queue + 1 hour clear<br /><br />2h:45m<br /><br />If you only have 3h till bed time, dropping early is your only chance. (Of course, if you're assertion is wrong and the old group was able to kill the boss it's your loss. But as soon as you sign up to the LFD it's a gamble.)<br /><br />Possible solutions to fix this:<br /> - The random daily does no longer reward VP but only JP.<br /> - Or every boss rewards (some) VP instead of JP up to the weekly cap.Kringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128630042421602039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4659326122793396570.post-82337852452036574192011-01-25T08:23:26.354+00:002011-01-25T08:23:26.354+00:00Glad to hear your PUGging went well! Although the ...Glad to hear your PUGging went well! Although the one aspect you didn't mention was time. PUGging is for sure possible with patience and persistence, but it also requires quite a time commitment (which is not quite the same thing as patience). I'm wary of joining a PUG unless I know I have an hour (or better two) to spare. At a guess, including the bosses you weren't present for, I'd say your DM run took two hours? Maybe that's why the last DPSers left before the last boss.... perhaps they had run out of time.<br /><br />At least in that regard, Cata heroics remind me of doing Vanilla dungeons (in right-level gear). Doing Scholo or Strat in blues definitely needed a couple of hours time commitment, and I used to plan to do it if I had a free evening, or a weekend afternoon. I find myself thinking about Cata heroics in the same way, I have to be sure I can spare quite some time, especially as there is always a chance I get DM or Batol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4659326122793396570.post-10948988769163174772011-01-25T00:42:10.810+00:002011-01-25T00:42:10.810+00:00Sounds like a regular day at the office in Deadmin...Sounds like a regular day at the office in Deadmines, heroic or not. (If there's a toon that will fall off the boat, it'd be me.) On the whole, your experience gives me hope that I can get into pugging the new stuff once it opens up. (Okay, BRC just opened up for Neve, but I need to get my behind over and find the place first.)Redbeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05306063084983025771noreply@blogger.com